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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast number

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483 for the 21st of January 2018 Richard

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Saunders here with you from Sydney

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Australia and the news I must bring you

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this week is the the skeptical world

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surely is in mourning for the loss of

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our dear friend Barry Williams the

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former president and longtime

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Australian skeptic and one of the people

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instrumental in starting the skeptical

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movement in Australia Barry died just

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yesterday following complications from

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recent heart surgery so a good portion

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of this show the first part is dedicated

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to Barry I'm going to read the tribute

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written by Tim Mendham published at

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skeptics comdata you then will have a

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series of snippets starting off with a

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media appearance buried in 32 years ago

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on the Today Show here in Australia

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where he was interviewed by George Negus

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the famous journalist after that a

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newspaper article featuring Barry from

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the mid-90s from about 1994 then to

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round off the tributes to Barry an

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interview with him conducted by me not

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only in 2015 when Barry was volunteering

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after retirement at an Australian

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skeptics convention there are many

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stories that we all have or the

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skeptical community in Australia have

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about Barry Williams larger-than-life

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friendly fellow loved these cups of tea

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I can tell you when I used to go around

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to his place for meetings just friendly

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biscuits tea dogs cats everywhere

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jumping all over me

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barking and Barry was always he was a

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very knowledgeable man always ready with

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background information about sceptics

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and psychics and people he'd met along

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the way he knew a lot of the early

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so-called psychics and clairvoyance from

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TV from time to time with the late

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Australian psychics Association and

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archive in fact when I first got started

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Australia I would visit Barry at his

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house and he would give me boxes of

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was able to digitize all those that's

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why we have for example coming up an

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interview with Barry on The Today Show

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from from 32 years ago and I feel I

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dial his number and hear the voice on

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the other end saying all our skeptics

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poor imitation Barry we will miss you

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and your contribution to the skeptical

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movement in Australia is legendary well

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following our a tribute to Barry

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Williams we have an interview with Susan

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go back from guerrilla skepticism on

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Wikipedia who recently received a grant

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Foundation she's going to tell us all

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about that and also about some psychic

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stings she and guerrilla skepticism are

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to live stage performances of certain

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psychics but now it's time for me to run

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and a biscuit in honor of Barry Williams

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from WWC optics calm day you published

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on the 21st of January 2018 by Tim

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Mendham valet Barry Williams it is with

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great sadness that we report the news of

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the passing of Barry Williams who died

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on January the 20th 2018 at the age of

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operations Barry was intrinsic to the

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history and development of the skeptical

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he was the face of skepticism in this

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country as fellow sceptic Peter Bowdish

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Barry was born in Queensland on the 10th

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of November 1938 he joined the Royal

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plane that had made an emergency landing

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sizable bequests from the estate of Stan

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Lee David Whaley we have these funds the

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as condolences rest in peace Barry we

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Williams can be found at skeptics calm

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and now from 1986

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here is barri williams appearing on the

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tongue-in-cheek bit of writing but this

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I know what the paranormal is I mean I

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we have to tell people about this

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running sceptics before this this

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interview makes much sense you suggest

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in the imes and I've read the blurb -

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that your aim is to investigate

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scientifically with an open mind claims

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and events of an apparently paranormal

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or pseudo scientific nature relevant to

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Australia so the words we need to

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explain our paranormal and pseudo

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scientific yes George they cover a

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multitude of sins

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paranormal means loosely not explainable

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by the laws of nature as we know that

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what not a lot of people would call

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supernaturals mmm yeah there's there are

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subtle differences between the two words

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but essentially that's what it is

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scientifically well you know scientific

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is when you get people coming on with a

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great new scientific breakthrough that

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like perpetual motion machines that's a

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pseudoscience because it just can't

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happen right scientific laws I guess the

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best no and the paranormal or pseudo

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scientific trick that's been fooled of

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course was was Yuri gillers that spoon

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bending that's probably the most widely

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covered yeah is that what set off your

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your association why you came into

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existence actually because of that but

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generally there are a lot of areas such

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as astrology astrology is on the rise

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again actually coming down again now but

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it was on the rise a few years ago

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we've only just offended about 70% of

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the audience so it'd be five I think of

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the last 65% of people believe in

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astrology well to a greater or lesser

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degree much smaller percentage actually

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believe it in based their life on some

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people of course believe that when it

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suits oven we've got that's perfectly

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all right here well apart from uri

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geller in astrology what are some of the

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other paranormal and pseudo scientific

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things that would concern a group like

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yours

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UFOs we have another UFO flap for a

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while but they're always on the cards

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UFOs being unexplained lights in the

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skies one thing claiming they're from

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other planets with people giving us

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messages on that entirely another one

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there's no evidence for that the latter

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thing von daniken's books about the

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ancient astronauts spiritualism talking

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to your dead relatives various health

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things psychic surgery is one we got

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involved with recently they do it a lot

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in the Philippines and it's not the body

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and any other cares for that so we we

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had some of our members go to a psychic

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surgeon in Melbourne and and he

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performed some tricks one of our members

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was a magician he knew what he was doing

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and they later and information with the

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police and the man was charged in the

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case were thrown out because our people

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were skeptics and weren't fooled

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do we have our Australian equivalent of

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the Loch Ness monster anything like that

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oh yes we have Yowies yeah I'm surprised

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you haven't interviewed one a cool we

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will we'll send a team best right away

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where would we find a Yowie

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well around the Blue Mountains seems to

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be a place that that they believers know

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that is imagination but they strongly

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suspect their lie they think it's a it's

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like the the Yeti in the Himalayas or

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the Squatch in North America a large

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ape-like being that wanders around but

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your hardrive aguirre not big enough

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it's bigger than Brian so what about

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there's the surprise that you're

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offering is $1,000 for somebody who's

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written a piece or survived a television

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radio who would be our dealers well it's

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there's no lack of journalists writing

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stories about the paranormal it's just

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there's a lack of journalists writing or

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producing stories about them from a

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skeptical view point where they tend to

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look at them hard and say now listen

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this thing's not what about the raster

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is really where journalists take these

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things seriously I don't have another

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take him seriously or not but I

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certainly write him up that way I write

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them

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right yeah yeah I guess that it must be

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disappointing to you because this is the

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way you would find out about some of

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these paranormal and pseudo scientific

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things that are being touted around the

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place yes interesting thing of course

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since I story appeared in the paper the

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other day we've had a couple of

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journalists contact us and say what

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about this thousand dollar prize

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publicity is always good of course there

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is a slightly serious aspect to what you

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do isn't they try to protect the

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community from Spears and con men who do

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tout these ideas or yes it's no

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different really from the people who are

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selling shocking shocking swimming bills

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shonky cars houses that fall down and

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really we're looking at the people we

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believe that are ripping off people's

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minds rather than blindly thought that's

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a good way of putting it isn't it very

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good talking dear

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thanks to this is a very paranormal

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normal interview Thank You Barry

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Williams president of the Australian

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from The Sydney Morning Herald dated

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11th of September 1994 the story by

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Elizabeth Wynn Heusen under the banner

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snooping around about those little green

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Australians may think of themselves as

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skeptical but there are only 1500

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official skeptics here and if Barry

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Williams is right our celebrated

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skepticism is fading out what Williams

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the president of the Australian skeptics

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the text instead is a rise in the sort

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of magical thinking that leads people to

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blame their problems on the

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configuration of the planets or the

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malignant influence of extraterrestrials

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people are seeking certainty in a very

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uncertain world end quote said Williams

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a big bearded red-cheeked man with a

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paunch who sounds like broadcaster

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Philip Adams but looks like a defrocked

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Santa Claus next Sunday at the Great

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Australian science show at the

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Powerhouse Museum

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Williams will give a talk titled I was

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captured by aliens true or false

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not many Australians believe they've

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been abducted by aliens you believe so

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common in the u.s. that there are

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networks of support groups for those

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convinced they have been captured by the

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little green men nowadays this delusion

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may arise after counseling the trend

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bothers Williams whose talk at the

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Museum will question the sudden

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emergence of the therapists who claim to

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be helping people uncover previously

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repressed memories quote whether of

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alien abductions satanic cults or

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childhood sexual abuse then quote

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children do get abused of course Kurt

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but we have no evidence that alien

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abduction goes on in quote he said quote

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yet you've got people remembering both

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things quite clearly so how do you tell

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something that's happened from something

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planted in a person's mind by one of

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these so-called therapists end quote it

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has to be said that Williams was

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skeptical and what else about the

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prevalence of psychotherapy now creeping

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into all spheres of modern life quote

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it's good that people are counseled

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after a catastrophe once upon a time

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they were left to their own devices and

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suffered in quote in his opinion however

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psychologists seemed to be marshaled on

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the slimmest excuse quote when wearing a

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council's

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two and half the staff went off to part

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of the new Pittwater council they

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brought psychologists in to council

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these people when they had just changed

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jobs been quite whatever the reasons for

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the proliferation of such reputable

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professions William seems to think that

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their very existence provides cover for

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his enemy where you and I might seem

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mild-mannered mediums or clairvoyance he

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sees an advancing horde of quacks and

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charlatans quote there is no

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registration for people who set

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themselves up as counselors or

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therapists which is what a lot of these

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astrologers and psychics tend to do in

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quote he said at his Roseville home

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quote people think they're very accurate

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because they tell generalized truths I

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do a bit of a party trick I'll say I've

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got this very strong feeling that

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someone in the room is really concerned

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about their finances end quote he said

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he was beaming faced replaced by a drew

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bee look as if he were snuffing up an

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aura in his Roseville living room in his

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working life Williams 54 arranges trade

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exhibits for the American consulate the

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place was closed last Monday because of

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their labor day so he was at home he

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happens to have worked for the North

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Americans for 15 years without once

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going there he doesn't like to travel

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instead he sits at his computer

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exchanging email messages with sceptics

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around the globe one of his discoveries

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in fact is that credulity comes with its

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own national characteristics Russians

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and Georgians go in for the same sort of

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soft-headed things as small-town

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Americans but in the former USSR William

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says quote they've got all the things

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that were popular in the West in the

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1950s in quote in short Russians are

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still being abducted by aliens from

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faraway places like Venus where the

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actual surface temperature is hot enough

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to melt landed the French in contrast

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don't seem to get abducted at all or so

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a Frenchman on the email network told

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him and Williams managed not to retort

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that he could see why Australians don't

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much get abducted either what we will go

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in for instead is what the skeptics have

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demonstrate

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to be a rather fetch was faith in water

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divining four years ago William said the

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Australian skeptics tested nine water

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diviners they picked a piece of land of

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a farm out west of Sydney quote and

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these nine blokes wandered around doing

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all sorts of things with sticks and bent

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wires and bits of pendulums one was a

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CSIRO scientists unquote but as a water

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diviner he had no more success than the

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others on the occasions when the

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divining had appeared to work the

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scientists agreed he not only knew a bit

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about the place beforehand but filled it

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out with local knowledge the sceptics

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this proof didn't seem to impinge on our

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belief in water divining a belief that

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persists even in the face of widespread

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drought whether or not this superstition

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sticks like thorns to the Earth's driest

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continent there is a limit to our

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ability to suspend disbelief uri geller

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once world-famous for bending spoons by

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telepathy is trying to make it come back

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and was in Australia earlier this year

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no one much went to see him the result

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Williams said beaming quote was that he

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cut his trip short saying he had to go

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home because his mother was sick we've

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seen it all before

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man quote Erich von däniken who made his

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name and his fortune years ago with

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Chariots of the Gods a book suggesting

552
00:23:28,650 --> 00:23:26,380
that ancient astronauts of one sort or

553
00:23:30,660 --> 00:23:28,660
another built the pyramids was in this

554
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:30,670
country a while back on a speaking tour

555
00:23:36,270 --> 00:23:34,210
he went from Perth to Adelaide not many

556
00:23:39,300 --> 00:23:36,280
people turned up for a lecture in a

557
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:39,310
1,000 seat hall so he canceled the rest

558
00:23:47,399 --> 00:23:41,530
of the trip saying his mother was sick

559
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:49,960
and that story was published in The

560
00:23:56,180 --> 00:23:51,679
Sydney Morning Herald newspaper on the

561
00:24:01,780 --> 00:23:56,190
11th of September 1994

562
00:24:04,820 --> 00:24:03,920
he's someone I haven't seen for a while

563
00:24:07,250 --> 00:24:04,830
who've we got here

564
00:24:08,900 --> 00:24:07,260
very well yours is my name and what are

565
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:08,910
you up to today berry how many how many

566
00:24:13,130 --> 00:24:10,410
of these have you been to now

567
00:24:14,780 --> 00:24:13,140
well I'm here as a volunteer I was

568
00:24:16,910 --> 00:24:14,790
running the skeptics for a number of

569
00:24:19,340 --> 00:24:16,920
years night ended 27 of these on the

570
00:24:21,980 --> 00:24:19,350
trot and I retired about five years ago

571
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:21,990
and decided just to drop in occasionally

572
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:23,520
but they they needed somebody to give

573
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:25,290
them a bit of a hand and I live locally

574
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:27,570
so I'm giving help yeah I haven't seen

575
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:29,610
you around for a while Barry and last

576
00:24:33,260 --> 00:24:30,960
time I spoke to you you talked about

577
00:24:34,850 --> 00:24:33,270
your early history with the skeptics

578
00:24:37,310 --> 00:24:34,860
movement and have you thought that

579
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:37,320
sometimes the interest in paranormal

580
00:24:41,810 --> 00:24:39,570
divided upon gender line sometimes like

581
00:24:44,060 --> 00:24:41,820
guys tend to go for UFOs while women

582
00:24:46,750 --> 00:24:44,070
tend to go for the more spiritual that

583
00:24:49,670 --> 00:24:46,760
was my observation over the years yeah

584
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:49,680
and I guess that's that's similar in

585
00:24:54,590 --> 00:24:52,410
real life to the sort of more technical

586
00:24:58,480 --> 00:24:54,600
things men tend to be more interesting

587
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:58,490
women tend to be Morrison in the in the

588
00:25:02,990 --> 00:25:00,960
emotional things I suppose now I'll

589
00:25:04,910 --> 00:25:03,000
probably get castigated for that but you

590
00:25:07,370 --> 00:25:04,920
know I don't mean that in a negative way

591
00:25:09,290 --> 00:25:07,380
it's just the way people are now is

592
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:09,300
there some new wow that's come around

593
00:25:12,290 --> 00:25:11,010
that you haven't seen before because

594
00:25:16,790 --> 00:25:12,300
you've just about seen it or is there

595
00:25:18,050 --> 00:25:16,800
something new you've seen whoever said

596
00:25:19,370 --> 00:25:18,060
there's nothing new handle the Sun I

597
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:19,380
think I might have been Shakespeare was

598
00:25:25,340 --> 00:25:21,690
right right a lot of them in the Bible

599
00:25:27,650 --> 00:25:25,350
but yeah look they all like come and go

600
00:25:29,810 --> 00:25:27,660
and maybe things slightly different

601
00:25:33,530 --> 00:25:29,820
guises some of these things come in with

602
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:33,540
by and large the same old fundamental

603
00:25:37,010 --> 00:25:35,610
beliefs keep coming back they get

604
00:25:39,700 --> 00:25:37,020
knocked on the head for a world and like

605
00:25:42,740 --> 00:25:39,710
I'm back again you can guarantee it I

606
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:42,750
expect possibly spoon bending might be

607
00:25:46,820 --> 00:25:45,450
due for a comeback anytime you think it

608
00:25:48,380 --> 00:25:46,830
all gets back to people wanting

609
00:25:49,970 --> 00:25:48,390
something for nothing they want to lose

610
00:25:51,710 --> 00:25:49,980
weight without doing anything they want

611
00:25:53,030 --> 00:25:51,720
to be smart or without going and doing

612
00:25:54,740 --> 00:25:53,040
any more learning that sort of thing

613
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:54,750
there's no question about that yeah sure

614
00:25:59,570 --> 00:25:57,210
I mean the it's a quite understandable

615
00:26:03,170 --> 00:25:59,580
thing I mean I think as a species we

616
00:26:05,090 --> 00:26:03,180
really all we'd like to be idle and

617
00:26:07,340 --> 00:26:05,100
those of us are fortunate enough to live

618
00:26:09,050 --> 00:26:07,350
in societies like ours get a lot more

619
00:26:10,700 --> 00:26:09,060
idleness than perhaps if we were living

620
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:10,710
in Africa or somewhere like that where

621
00:26:16,100 --> 00:26:12,690
you have to actually work pretty hard to

622
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:16,110
stay alive so and and we get accustomed

623
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:17,520
there and then we would start wanting

624
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:19,530
more and more things for nothing so

625
00:26:23,620 --> 00:26:21,600
you've been well and truly retired for a

626
00:26:29,870 --> 00:26:23,630
while now how do you fill up your days

627
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:29,880
Wow I I do a lot of reading catching up

628
00:26:33,170 --> 00:26:31,440
with a reading I just didn't have time

629
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:33,180
to there before I got a lot of skeptical

630
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:34,770
books I'm reading and I'm reading a lot

631
00:26:41,060 --> 00:26:36,450
more fiction these days and they used to

632
00:26:42,830 --> 00:26:41,070
and I've got a couple of grand sons one

633
00:26:44,810 --> 00:26:42,840
of whom is just about just stopped doing

634
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:44,820
a PhD and one of it was just part it

635
00:26:49,340 --> 00:26:46,650
passed his HSC so they're not little

636
00:26:51,140 --> 00:26:49,350
kids but I still take as much looking

637
00:26:53,570 --> 00:26:51,150
after from our grandfather like driving

638
00:26:55,850 --> 00:26:53,580
them a yet drive that doesn't change

639
00:26:57,620 --> 00:26:55,860
what's your advice to them when it comes

640
00:26:59,960 --> 00:26:57,630
to thinking critically that what's the

641
00:27:01,790 --> 00:26:59,970
first step you should take well I always

642
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:01,800
tell them never believe anything you

643
00:27:07,460 --> 00:27:04,890
hear without a reason I mean if somebody

644
00:27:08,780 --> 00:27:07,470
and make sure the reason isn't that you

645
00:27:10,580 --> 00:27:08,790
actually want to believe it make sure

646
00:27:13,610 --> 00:27:10,590
there's some good reason for believing

647
00:27:14,810 --> 00:27:13,620
what claims we will make and and I think

648
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:14,820
that stands people in good stead

649
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:18,570
anywhere these boys pretty smart pretty

650
00:27:23,380 --> 00:27:19,290
level-headed

651
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:23,390
but like all young men they fall for the

652
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:26,010
zeitgeist of the age if you like I might

653
00:27:29,060 --> 00:27:27,570
end up believing some ratbag things that

654
00:27:30,290 --> 00:27:29,070
I wouldn't believe in but then with

655
00:27:32,930 --> 00:27:30,300
their age I used to believe another

656
00:27:35,090 --> 00:27:32,940
threat bag things that's why it guys

657
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:35,100
thanks very enjoy your this would be

658
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:36,960
your 28th convention you'd been to then

659
00:27:41,450 --> 00:27:39,450
with yeah I think so I really haven't

660
00:27:44,030 --> 00:27:41,460
kept count but it was a round about that

661
00:27:46,130 --> 00:27:44,040
yeah I think this is about the 30th and

662
00:27:48,690 --> 00:27:46,140
I've been to all except a couple so no

663
00:28:09,230 --> 00:27:48,700
you go nuts here today Barry I will

664
00:28:12,990 --> 00:28:09,240
[Music]

665
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:13,000
you may know that RIT homies who is an

666
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:15,490
international skeptical campaigner about

667
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:16,480
naturopathy

668
00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:20,250
is currently being sued for defamation

669
00:28:26,300 --> 00:28:23,710
it used to be a naturopath herself but

670
00:28:28,700 --> 00:28:26,310
she now spends a lot of time and effort

671
00:28:31,710 --> 00:28:28,710
exposing naturopathic practices

672
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:31,720
including on her own blog naturopathic

673
00:28:40,500 --> 00:28:37,450
Diaries she's been taken to court in

674
00:28:43,860 --> 00:28:40,510
Germany by us-based naturopath quote dr.

675
00:28:46,650 --> 00:28:43,870
unquote Coleen Huber who is claiming

676
00:28:49,470 --> 00:28:46,660
that Brit has defamed her on her blog

677
00:28:51,900 --> 00:28:49,480
hooba is a critic of chemotherapy and

678
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:51,910
radiation therapy in cancer treatment

679
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:56,290
instead she uses quote natural end quote

680
00:29:03,080 --> 00:28:58,960
therapies that include intravenous

681
00:29:06,150 --> 00:29:03,090
infusions of vitamin C and a baking soda

682
00:29:09,060 --> 00:29:06,160
the international skeptical community is

683
00:29:12,150 --> 00:29:09,070
concerned that the case against Brit may

684
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:12,160
have the effect of silencing a major

685
00:29:17,670 --> 00:29:14,880
campaigner against unproven and

686
00:29:20,990 --> 00:29:17,680
disproven quote medical and quote

687
00:29:25,670 --> 00:29:21,000
practices through the imposition of

688
00:29:30,220 --> 00:29:27,060
[Music]

689
00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:30,230
for this reason the Australian skeptics

690
00:29:36,220 --> 00:29:33,200
have set up a fund raising campaign to

691
00:29:37,810 --> 00:29:36,230
help cover Brits legal costs if you

692
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:37,820
would like to contribute to the fund

693
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:39,520
where you want some more information

694
00:29:56,670 --> 00:29:47,570
then go to WWC upticks calm au / brit

695
00:30:05,100 --> 00:29:56,680
Hermes that's bri TT h er m vs w w

696
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:32,310
[Music]

697
00:30:37,389 --> 00:30:34,899
joining me now all the way from Salinas

698
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:37,399
California California I was only just

699
00:30:42,700 --> 00:30:40,610
there experienced an earthquake maybe it

700
00:30:44,850 --> 00:30:42,710
was all The Skeptical activity coming

701
00:30:48,369 --> 00:30:44,860
from susan gerbic hello Susan

702
00:30:50,409 --> 00:30:48,379
hi Richard that was a terrible lead and

703
00:30:51,850 --> 00:30:50,419
I know but when I was in California

704
00:30:53,739 --> 00:30:51,860
there was a bit of a bomba

705
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:53,749
four-point-five in Berkeley I think do

706
00:30:58,899 --> 00:30:55,850
you get many oh you get many tremors

707
00:31:01,149 --> 00:30:58,909
down your way I'm more likely to get

708
00:31:03,340 --> 00:31:01,159
trimmers than Berkeley is I'm really

709
00:31:06,609 --> 00:31:03,350
really close to the San Andreas Fault

710
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:06,619
Line which is maybe 20 minutes as a crow

711
00:31:10,690 --> 00:31:08,480
flies it's very close and then we have

712
00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:10,700
other fault lines really nearest yes so

713
00:31:16,259 --> 00:31:12,799
it's been a while since we've had one

714
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:16,269
but it is not unusual very very

715
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:19,970
earthquake prone here wow that must be

716
00:31:24,129 --> 00:31:21,919
interesting I mean I've been through a

717
00:31:26,769 --> 00:31:24,139
few jolts to earthquakes through minor

718
00:31:30,669 --> 00:31:26,779
tremors I guess they're unsettling do

719
00:31:33,700 --> 00:31:30,679
you ever get used to it we brag about it

720
00:31:36,460 --> 00:31:33,710
a lot it's kind of a you know toughie

721
00:31:39,070 --> 00:31:36,470
dad we will my son and I will race to

722
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:39,080
see who can post on Facebook fastest

723
00:31:44,049 --> 00:31:42,080
what we think the magnitude was and I

724
00:31:46,899 --> 00:31:44,059
always win if we're both home together

725
00:31:48,639 --> 00:31:46,909
because he types out the word earthquake

726
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:48,649
and then he puts his vote of what he

727
00:31:53,409 --> 00:31:50,330
thinks it is and I just type out a

728
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:53,419
number and so I usually be them but you

729
00:31:56,919 --> 00:31:55,279
know yeah it's kind of a tough it up

730
00:31:58,749 --> 00:31:56,929
kind of thing it's not a big deal we

731
00:32:01,930 --> 00:31:58,759
just I guess like every part of the

732
00:32:03,789 --> 00:32:01,940
country has some kind of that nature

733
00:32:09,730 --> 00:32:03,799
thing that they're like Oh which is 10

734
00:32:13,359 --> 00:32:09,740
feet of snow no I remember the day when

735
00:32:16,269 --> 00:32:13,369
my nose froze off and you know the end

736
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:16,279
you don't know heat but here we have our

737
00:32:22,810 --> 00:32:19,519
earthquakes lately here in Sydney

738
00:32:24,249 --> 00:32:22,820
Australia it's been what ridiculous

739
00:32:27,580 --> 00:32:24,259
degree of temperature has it reached

740
00:32:29,980 --> 00:32:27,590
today we've had a lot of a lot of hot

741
00:32:32,919 --> 00:32:29,990
weather but weather and earthquakes and

742
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:32,929
all that sort of thing aside I'm giving

743
00:32:37,690 --> 00:32:36,080
you a a call of a catch up today that I

744
00:32:40,350 --> 00:32:37,700
saw on the grapevine on the internet

745
00:32:42,940 --> 00:32:40,360
that the guerrilla skepticism on

746
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:42,950
Wikipedia recently received a bit of a

747
00:32:45,810 --> 00:32:43,360
boost

748
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:45,820
can you tell us about that oh my gosh

749
00:32:50,490 --> 00:32:47,890
yeah there's a lot happening in my life

750
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:50,500
right at the moment one of the things

751
00:32:57,630 --> 00:32:54,640
that is has been announced is that the

752
00:33:01,290 --> 00:32:57,640
GSO w project and myself were awarded a

753
00:33:04,020 --> 00:33:01,300
grant a one-time a one-time grant by the

754
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:04,030
James Randi Educational Foundation

755
00:33:16,890 --> 00:33:10,930
and it was how do I say just it was just

756
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:16,900
crazy we said what what what seriously

757
00:33:21,570 --> 00:33:19,690
yeah it was unexpected but so now we're

758
00:33:24,210 --> 00:33:21,580
gonna we are a non-profit we're called

759
00:33:27,180 --> 00:33:24,220
about time and we will be able to

760
00:33:28,590 --> 00:33:27,190
receive donations but not in the next

761
00:33:30,750 --> 00:33:28,600
couple weeks we're still working on the

762
00:33:33,780 --> 00:33:30,760
final paperwork but it's going to be

763
00:33:36,540 --> 00:33:33,790
quite interesting what we'll do now

764
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:36,550
Susan is we'll play a little clip by a

765
00:33:44,220 --> 00:33:39,250
message sent to you by James Randi

766
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:44,230
himself hi there this is James Randi I

767
00:33:49,260 --> 00:33:46,720
just learned that my good friend susan

768
00:33:50,990 --> 00:33:49,270
gerbic and her gorilla skeptics have

769
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:51,000
received a well-deserved

770
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:54,640
no-strings-attached grant from the J res

771
00:34:00,420 --> 00:33:57,810
the James Randi Educational Foundation

772
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:00,430
the foundation recognizes for

773
00:34:05,580 --> 00:34:02,650
outstanding efforts to enlist and train

774
00:34:08,460 --> 00:34:05,590
a team of editors who continually

775
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:08,470
improve Wikipedia as a public resource

776
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:11,970
for rationality and scientific thought

777
00:34:19,140 --> 00:34:16,480
go Susan that's terrific and it's a

778
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:19,150
terrific acknowledgement of all the hard

779
00:34:22,590 --> 00:34:21,040
work you've been doing at guerrilla

780
00:34:28,620 --> 00:34:22,600
skepticism how long has it been going

781
00:34:32,370 --> 00:34:28,630
now oh my gosh probably since 2010 years

782
00:34:33,780 --> 00:34:32,380
tick by that that's quite right we

783
00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:33,790
started we didn't think we were gonna be

784
00:34:38,460 --> 00:34:36,310
a thing I mean heck I was just going on

785
00:34:39,930 --> 00:34:38,470
Facebook and telling people let's let's

786
00:34:41,550 --> 00:34:39,940
head it Wikipedia you want to help me

787
00:34:43,590 --> 00:34:41,560
here you know let me show you what I'm

788
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:43,600
doing in you so it wasn't a thing it

789
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:46,330
started so slowly that we didn't realize

790
00:34:50,700 --> 00:34:47,890
that we needed to keep track of dates

791
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:50,710
and anything of that sort it's it's been

792
00:34:55,770 --> 00:34:53,530
it's been a world win but we've decided

793
00:34:56,909 --> 00:34:55,780
that we're not going to just handle GS

794
00:34:58,019 --> 00:34:56,919
or W we have

795
00:35:01,740 --> 00:34:58,029
other things we're going to be doing

796
00:35:04,829 --> 00:35:01,750
with with the award and with our our

797
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:04,839
board so we're we're incorporating

798
00:35:09,809 --> 00:35:06,250
pretty much anything that susan gerbic

799
00:35:12,569 --> 00:35:09,819
is involved in so it looks like some

800
00:35:14,190 --> 00:35:12,579
expansions on the way oh yes we've got

801
00:35:15,509 --> 00:35:14,200
we've got quite a thing quite a few

802
00:35:18,210 --> 00:35:15,519
things that we've got planned we're

803
00:35:19,890 --> 00:35:18,220
gonna be doing a we do a skeptic amp

804
00:35:23,460 --> 00:35:19,900
here in Monterey County every year in

805
00:35:25,620 --> 00:35:23,470
January we just finished it we had 50

806
00:35:27,769 --> 00:35:25,630
people pretty much show up we had great

807
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:27,779
media coverage by the local papers and

808
00:35:33,870 --> 00:35:31,119
the talks are terrific the videos are up

809
00:35:37,769 --> 00:35:33,880
on the Monterey County skeptics YouTube

810
00:35:39,210 --> 00:35:37,779
site they are just I mean I sat in the

811
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:39,220
audience and I listened to some of the

812
00:35:45,029 --> 00:35:41,920
people lecturing and I thought this is

813
00:35:48,269 --> 00:35:45,039
great great stuff and I'm really

814
00:35:50,690 --> 00:35:48,279
surprised that you know more people

815
00:35:52,620 --> 00:35:50,700
don't do skeptic amp sir absolute blast

816
00:35:54,210 --> 00:35:52,630
yes they are they're sort of like

817
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:54,220
skeptics in the pub once you get into

818
00:35:58,559 --> 00:35:56,650
the swing of them and it gives everybody

819
00:36:01,319 --> 00:35:58,569
an opportunity if they want to talk on a

820
00:36:05,359 --> 00:36:01,329
sceptical issue to stand up and well

821
00:36:08,849 --> 00:36:05,369
give a public address I guess absolutely

822
00:36:10,620 --> 00:36:08,859
now tell me more about what what you

823
00:36:13,049 --> 00:36:10,630
might I mean you can't give too much

824
00:36:15,779 --> 00:36:13,059
away I'm sure what you might be hoping

825
00:36:17,609 --> 00:36:15,789
to do now you have a grant of funds from

826
00:36:19,470 --> 00:36:17,619
the James Randi Educational Foundation

827
00:36:21,299 --> 00:36:19,480
what does that mean for guerrilla

828
00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:21,309
skepticism does it mean more people has

829
00:36:25,890 --> 00:36:23,730
it mean more equipment what do you think

830
00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:25,900
okay well let me read you my mission

831
00:36:29,099 --> 00:36:27,250
statement it's only a couple sentences

832
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:29,109
long and maybe this will kind of sum up

833
00:36:34,049 --> 00:36:30,970
what we're going to be doing the mission

834
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:34,059
of about time is to find mentor and

835
00:36:37,289 --> 00:36:35,650
train people to educate and promote

836
00:36:39,779 --> 00:36:37,299
science and scientific skepticism

837
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:39,789
through crowd-sourced and educational

838
00:36:43,769 --> 00:36:41,920
activities worldwide this is done by

839
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:43,779
conference attendance lectures videos

840
00:36:48,210 --> 00:36:45,970
podcasts and interaction on social media

841
00:36:49,890 --> 00:36:48,220
and in-person workshops hands-on

842
00:36:53,430 --> 00:36:49,900
instruction online instruction are

843
00:36:55,319 --> 00:36:53,440
encouraged so instead of how do I say

844
00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:55,329
this well you know that old phrase teach

845
00:37:00,809 --> 00:36:58,960
somebody how to fish and they'll fish

846
00:37:05,279 --> 00:37:00,819
for a lifetime as opposed to just giving

847
00:37:09,569 --> 00:37:05,289
them some fish we're more for where we

848
00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:09,579
are more focused on the people than we

849
00:37:10,540 --> 00:37:10,089
are

850
00:37:13,210 --> 00:37:10,550
on

851
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:13,220
if that makes any sense instead of just

852
00:37:17,980 --> 00:37:14,960
saying here I'm gonna put out some

853
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:17,990
pamphlets or here's a here's some

854
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:20,930
content maybe it'll get to the right

855
00:37:28,660 --> 00:37:24,320
people we're trying to find and motivate

856
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:28,670
and train people who can do more so we

857
00:37:32,110 --> 00:37:30,290
kept our mission statement really broad

858
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:32,120
because that's exactly what we're doing

859
00:37:36,850 --> 00:37:34,370
with Wikipedia I mean I could spend my

860
00:37:39,820 --> 00:37:36,860
day editing Wikipedia and yes I would

861
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:39,830
have an impact I would make a difference

862
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:44,480
but it would be more to the advantage

863
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:47,450
for me to to find more people manage

864
00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:50,090
those people and get them learning how

865
00:37:57,820 --> 00:37:54,110
to edit Wikipedia so so my personal

866
00:37:59,770 --> 00:37:57,830
contributions to Wikipedia page view

867
00:38:02,370 --> 00:37:59,780
wise is a little over a million views

868
00:38:04,210 --> 00:38:02,380
well at least a million people have

869
00:38:05,500 --> 00:38:04,220
Wikipedia pages that I have either

870
00:38:10,450 --> 00:38:05,510
rewritten or written

871
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:10,460
that's sizable but I have 133 people now

872
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:13,850
and those we've just hit 22 million page

873
00:38:20,350 --> 00:38:17,210
views so and that's in multiple

874
00:38:22,060 --> 00:38:20,360
languages so I you know pretty much

875
00:38:23,950 --> 00:38:22,070
found those people I've trained all

876
00:38:28,180 --> 00:38:23,960
those people recruited them motivate

877
00:38:30,910 --> 00:38:28,190
them so my impact is a lot bigger when

878
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:30,920
I'm teaching and training and motivating

879
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:33,410
and finding these people and that's not

880
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:35,210
we're we're not just keeping it to

881
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:37,130
Wikipedia we've done other things we've

882
00:38:42,010 --> 00:38:39,650
just finished a psychic sting this

883
00:38:44,890 --> 00:38:42,020
weekend and we've done several other

884
00:38:47,380 --> 00:38:44,900
psychic students and I got by signing

885
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:47,390
people all across the United States and

886
00:38:53,770 --> 00:38:50,720
all over the place we had somebody from

887
00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:53,780
New Zealand and we had several people

888
00:38:57,820 --> 00:38:56,000
from Australia who were participating in

889
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:57,830
the sting that was happening on the east

890
00:39:02,140 --> 00:39:00,560
coast of United States my mission in

891
00:39:04,030 --> 00:39:02,150
that my goal is to find those people

892
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:04,040
motivate them and get them doing more

893
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:05,930
things and that's what we were able to

894
00:39:11,020 --> 00:39:08,960
do this is a very intriguing Susan I

895
00:39:12,970 --> 00:39:11,030
know you probably can't say too much

896
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:12,980
about this project at the moment but

897
00:39:19,090 --> 00:39:15,650
what do you mean by a psychic sting what

898
00:39:20,890 --> 00:39:19,100
can you tell us well I can tell you most

899
00:39:22,990 --> 00:39:20,900
anything without telling you the names

900
00:39:23,660 --> 00:39:23,000
of the psychics that we've stung me

901
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:23,670
cently

902
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:26,160
we we they don't know that they have

903
00:39:30,260 --> 00:39:28,890
been investigated they don't know

904
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:30,270
they've been stunned because guess what

905
00:39:37,609 --> 00:39:34,890
they're not psychic so we caught

906
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:37,619
somebody in March we called it operation

907
00:39:44,089 --> 00:39:41,040
pizza roll and we have evidence that he

908
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:44,099
was hot reading in fact he got up on

909
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:47,760
stage and he argued with me as the

910
00:39:54,829 --> 00:39:50,880
sitter about what was on my fake

911
00:39:57,500 --> 00:39:54,839
Facebook page he was telling me that you

912
00:39:59,900 --> 00:39:57,510
know he's like well why don't you know

913
00:40:03,130 --> 00:39:59,910
this your your brother died of this and

914
00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:03,140
I'm like oh I'm so sorry I'm so nervous

915
00:40:07,579 --> 00:40:05,250
but I didn't know what was on that

916
00:40:09,650 --> 00:40:07,589
Facebook page we blind our Facebook

917
00:40:12,109 --> 00:40:09,660
pages so the person who attends this to

918
00:40:15,289 --> 00:40:12,119
know what's on the pages they have a

919
00:40:19,549 --> 00:40:15,299
very basic information the the sting

920
00:40:21,020 --> 00:40:19,559
that we just did we had a a group of

921
00:40:22,430 --> 00:40:21,030
people from all over the world probably

922
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:22,440
I think there was nine or ten of us like

923
00:40:27,010 --> 00:40:23,609
I said they were in Australia in New

924
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:27,020
Zealand all over the United States they

925
00:40:33,859 --> 00:40:28,530
put together

926
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:33,869
oh ten or twelve fake Facebook pages and

927
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:35,760
they just communicated with each other

928
00:40:39,799 --> 00:40:37,530
for a month these are pages we've used

929
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:39,809
repeatedly so they have a history and

930
00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:43,200
then we've found a psychic that we

931
00:40:48,339 --> 00:40:45,089
wanted to target and he lived in the

932
00:40:50,690 --> 00:40:48,349
East Coast and I found a person who I

933
00:40:52,730 --> 00:40:50,700
trusted in the skeptic community and I

934
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:52,740
said would you like to go to a psychic

935
00:40:57,020 --> 00:40:54,960
sting psychic event and he said

936
00:41:01,400 --> 00:40:57,030
absolutely I said here's the list of

937
00:41:04,130 --> 00:41:01,410
dates pick one and he picked one and he

938
00:41:06,410 --> 00:41:04,140
recruited five more people so six people

939
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:06,420
went to this sting well went to a

940
00:41:12,980 --> 00:41:08,880
psychic event they recorded it video

941
00:41:14,990 --> 00:41:12,990
audio went with fake personas I went

942
00:41:19,490 --> 00:41:15,000
completely in character went through two

943
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:19,500
hours and what we're doing now is we're

944
00:41:24,289 --> 00:41:22,290
looking through the audio to see if the

945
00:41:26,450 --> 00:41:24,299
psychic picked up on anything in this

946
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:26,460
particular case was one that just

947
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:27,450
happened we're calling it operation

948
00:41:34,970 --> 00:41:32,400
Peach Pit we did not get readings so we

949
00:41:37,999 --> 00:41:34,980
didn't catch him in a hot read but what

950
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:38,009
we did catch is that

951
00:41:42,229 --> 00:41:40,410
well first off if he's really psychic he

952
00:41:45,049 --> 00:41:42,239
should have seen a group of six people

953
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:45,059
sitting sitting there totally as

954
00:41:50,059 --> 00:41:48,210
skeptics right he didn't you know it's a

955
00:41:53,049 --> 00:41:50,069
room about 400 people so the odds were

956
00:41:55,969 --> 00:41:53,059
really hard to get picked but he didn't

957
00:41:58,519 --> 00:41:55,979
avoid them in fact they went up to him

958
00:42:00,319 --> 00:41:58,529
afterwards and they got books signed he

959
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:00,329
autographed the books with their fake

960
00:42:06,829 --> 00:42:04,079
names and he also took a lot of selfies

961
00:42:10,130 --> 00:42:06,839
with our people so you would think he

962
00:42:12,049 --> 00:42:10,140
would know that they are skeptics and

963
00:42:14,329 --> 00:42:12,059
they were there to catch him you would

964
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:14,339
you would absolute and but the excuse

965
00:42:18,229 --> 00:42:16,410
I've heard so many times is oh it

966
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:18,239
doesn't work that way which is the

967
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:24,829
explain to me how it works because

968
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:26,640
everything everything we can see you're

969
00:42:32,210 --> 00:42:29,729
doing it is the same as we could have

970
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:32,220
done cold reading so the thing about

971
00:42:35,930 --> 00:42:34,079
this sting that is really different is

972
00:42:36,829 --> 00:42:35,940
that we had somebody in the audience who

973
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:36,839
has been through the entire

974
00:42:42,499 --> 00:42:39,359
investigation with us all Skype calls

975
00:42:45,529 --> 00:42:42,509
all meetings he is a investigative

976
00:42:47,420 --> 00:42:45,539
journalist and he is an investigative

977
00:42:51,769 --> 00:42:47,430
journalist for a very big publication

978
00:42:55,269 --> 00:42:51,779
and he is collected a lot of notes and

979
00:42:58,759 --> 00:42:55,279
he's got approval from his editor and in

980
00:43:00,289 --> 00:42:58,769
March probably late March because

981
00:43:02,479 --> 00:43:00,299
there's a lot that goes into this they

982
00:43:04,039 --> 00:43:02,489
have to fact-check everything he'll be

983
00:43:07,069 --> 00:43:04,049
writing an article about the

984
00:43:09,859 --> 00:43:07,079
investigation what we found how we did

985
00:43:11,479 --> 00:43:09,869
it good and bad everything that he went

986
00:43:13,309 --> 00:43:11,489
through and then he's also gonna report

987
00:43:16,279 --> 00:43:13,319
back on the psychic that we stung in

988
00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:16,289
March in operation pizza roll so both of

989
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:19,529
these psychics will be contacted both of

990
00:43:25,059 --> 00:43:21,690
the psychics will have their chance to

991
00:43:27,769 --> 00:43:25,069
give the reason why they were you know

992
00:43:30,319 --> 00:43:27,779
the first person was hot reading us and

993
00:43:31,729 --> 00:43:30,329
the second person why he wasn't able to

994
00:43:33,559 --> 00:43:31,739
tell that there was six

995
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:33,569
skeptics sitting right in front of them

996
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:35,249
under his nose and then he took pictures

997
00:43:39,319 --> 00:43:36,960
with them and and so on so they're gonna

998
00:43:41,209 --> 00:43:39,329
be able to have their say so it should

999
00:43:43,390 --> 00:43:41,219
be a very interesting article that it

1000
00:43:46,279 --> 00:43:43,400
will be coming out so watch for that in

1001
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:46,289
March issue that will be the earliest

1002
00:43:51,230 --> 00:43:49,170
cuz believe it or not I hadn't realize

1003
00:43:53,570 --> 00:43:51,240
this that there's a lot of fact

1004
00:43:54,650 --> 00:43:53,580
checking that goes on they have to make

1005
00:43:55,970 --> 00:43:54,660
sure everybody's name is spelled

1006
00:43:59,690 --> 00:43:55,980
correctly that everything's quoted

1007
00:44:01,250 --> 00:43:59,700
correctly and a lot goes on in the media

1008
00:44:03,170 --> 00:44:01,260
that I wasn't really aware of so it

1009
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:03,180
takes a lot of time this is really

1010
00:44:07,580 --> 00:44:04,770
interesting news indeed and I'm

1011
00:44:10,910 --> 00:44:07,590
fascinated to see that you name your

1012
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:10,920
projects after food well we did

1013
00:44:22,130 --> 00:44:18,240
operation well you know part of the

1014
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:22,140
logic for this Richard is that when

1015
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:23,850
you're gonna go deal with a psychic

1016
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:25,770
you're not trying to convince the

1017
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:28,290
believers they believe they're not gonna

1018
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:30,090
listen to you and even if you prove

1019
00:44:34,940 --> 00:44:31,770
their psychic is wrong they're gonna say

1020
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:34,950
oh well that one over there that's that

1021
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:38,490
one's not right you know so we found

1022
00:44:45,530 --> 00:44:40,650
that having these really outrageous

1023
00:44:47,630 --> 00:44:45,540
crazy sting names my intention is is

1024
00:44:50,330 --> 00:44:47,640
that somebody could go a skeptic group

1025
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:50,340
could actually produce maybe a three by

1026
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:52,410
five card with operation pizza roll

1027
00:44:57,530 --> 00:44:54,450
operation bumblebee operation ice cream

1028
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:57,540
cone operation Peach Pit written on this

1029
00:45:03,020 --> 00:44:59,760
card and maybe just say Google this and

1030
00:45:07,070 --> 00:45:03,030
leave these cards all over a venue for a

1031
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:07,080
psychic maybe in the bathrooms or the

1032
00:45:11,150 --> 00:45:08,970
venue or hand them out and then just

1033
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:11,160
walk away and some people in the

1034
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:12,770
audience the attendees are going to

1035
00:45:17,210 --> 00:45:14,880
google it and they're gonna find out

1036
00:45:20,090 --> 00:45:17,220
about operation tater tide which is

1037
00:45:21,590 --> 00:45:20,100
another one we did so you know out of

1038
00:45:23,390 --> 00:45:21,600
curiosity they're gonna look into it

1039
00:45:25,849 --> 00:45:23,400
they're easy to spell easy to remember

1040
00:45:27,590 --> 00:45:25,859
and then the other part is is we want to

1041
00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:27,600
shake up the psychic because they're

1042
00:45:30,620 --> 00:45:28,710
gonna see that these things are out

1043
00:45:33,859 --> 00:45:30,630
floating all over the place and the

1044
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:33,869
bathrooms and and you know sitting on

1045
00:45:38,300 --> 00:45:36,570
stands and just different places they're

1046
00:45:41,300 --> 00:45:38,310
gonna see these colorful cards handed

1047
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:41,310
out and they're they're gonna be how do

1048
00:45:44,330 --> 00:45:42,720
I say they're gonna be anticipating that

1049
00:45:46,700 --> 00:45:44,340
there is they're skeptics in the

1050
00:45:48,290 --> 00:45:46,710
audience and then there's ya know their

1051
00:45:49,690 --> 00:45:48,300
performance isn't gonna be as good as it

1052
00:45:52,820 --> 00:45:49,700
usually would be they're gonna be

1053
00:45:56,270 --> 00:45:52,830
nervous and and there really are just

1054
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:56,280
performers after all so if you can if

1055
00:46:01,550 --> 00:45:57,930
you could shake them up if you can knock

1056
00:46:04,340 --> 00:46:01,560
them off they're there how do I say just

1057
00:46:05,060 --> 00:46:04,350
kind of a normally take them off their

1058
00:46:07,310 --> 00:46:05,070
perch

1059
00:46:09,410 --> 00:46:07,320
yeah just make him feel uncomfortable

1060
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:09,420
and then weary then their performance

1061
00:46:13,310 --> 00:46:11,010
isn't gonna be as good and in the

1062
00:46:15,590 --> 00:46:13,320
audience that's gonna go you know I kind

1063
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:15,600
of liked that psychic before but he just

1064
00:46:19,730 --> 00:46:18,000
doesn't seem like on it that much you

1065
00:46:22,580 --> 00:46:19,740
know he just seems to have lost it and

1066
00:46:24,260 --> 00:46:22,590
like he was reaching and baking it okay

1067
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:24,270
so one of the things that we found that

1068
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:25,680
was really interesting because mark

1069
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:28,850
Edward is involved in the whole

1070
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:30,810
investigations of these psychic stings

1071
00:46:36,700 --> 00:46:33,770
and he has valuable information as being

1072
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:36,710
in the psychic business for many years

1073
00:46:41,690 --> 00:46:38,970
but the people who attended the event

1074
00:46:44,990 --> 00:46:41,700
this weekend they said that the psychic

1075
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:45,000
had like a row of people all stand up at

1076
00:46:50,780 --> 00:46:47,370
once so there may be ten people stood up

1077
00:46:53,180 --> 00:46:50,790
and then the psychic said I'm getting a

1078
00:46:56,930 --> 00:46:53,190
suicide over here or I'm getting him a

1079
00:47:00,440 --> 00:46:56,940
baby that was miscarried or some kind of

1080
00:47:03,950 --> 00:47:00,450
statement and then somebody in the in

1081
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:03,960
the row of ten would say something that

1082
00:47:07,610 --> 00:47:06,240
might make it like that was theirs or it

1083
00:47:09,170 --> 00:47:07,620
might be somebody very near to that

1084
00:47:11,630 --> 00:47:09,180
group of ten you know right in front or

1085
00:47:13,580 --> 00:47:11,640
right behind but what mark noticed and

1086
00:47:15,530 --> 00:47:13,590
he asked the group and we have video so

1087
00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:15,540
we're gonna look at the videos this is

1088
00:47:21,110 --> 00:47:17,730
true is an old mentalism trick that he

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says is that they the psychic extends

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his hand to point to an audience went to

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a group and then he makes the statement

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something like I'm getting a suicide and

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then he's looking at the people's faces

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and somebody will probably react with a

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with an expression of surprise or grief

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and then since his hands already

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extended it just takes a very slight

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movement with his hand to point to the

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person exactly from the perspective of

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the row standing depending on where the

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where the psychic is it is a very slight

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movement to look like they were being

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pointed at the whole time when actually

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00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:05,550
they weren't being pointed at the whole

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00:48:09,500 --> 00:48:07,290
time they were just being pointed out in

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00:48:11,870 --> 00:48:09,510
that general direction and if it hadn't

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00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:11,880
got a hit that's fine he was skipped and

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00:48:16,910 --> 00:48:13,650
gone to something else but if he does

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00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:16,920
say I'm getting a baby that was that

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died

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00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:21,450
birth and some woman automatically just

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00:48:26,270 --> 00:48:23,490
gets her eyes open up really large and

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her and she her mouth opens or she makes

1114
00:48:33,260 --> 00:48:30,900
a surprise huh you know gasps his finger

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00:48:35,420 --> 00:48:33,270
is already at her so she'll say and the

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00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:35,430
audience will say he was pointing right

1117
00:48:39,740 --> 00:48:37,200
at her when he made that statement

1118
00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:39,750
interesting when he really wasn't so

1119
00:48:45,020 --> 00:48:41,250
this is something I didn't really know

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00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:45,030
and Mark was able to tell that to us on

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00:48:51,470 --> 00:48:49,920
one of our sting calls and we asked if

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that was really what had happened and

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00:48:54,020 --> 00:48:52,890
then once they thought about they said

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00:48:55,970 --> 00:48:54,030
you know what I think that's exactly

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00:48:58,700 --> 00:48:55,980
what was going on it happened so quickly

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00:49:00,620 --> 00:48:58,710
that the statement was the fingers

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00:49:02,450 --> 00:49:00,630
pointed at the group he says all stand

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00:49:04,970 --> 00:49:02,460
up he's still pointing at the group and

1129
00:49:06,530 --> 00:49:04,980
his and he makes a statement so quickly

1130
00:49:08,450 --> 00:49:06,540
that it looks like he would been

1131
00:49:09,620 --> 00:49:08,460
pointing at them that same person the

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00:49:10,940 --> 00:49:09,630
whole time and you're not paying that

1133
00:49:15,260 --> 00:49:10,950
much attention you're looking at the

1134
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:15,270
audience not at the psychics finger I I

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00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:16,890
thought that was brilliant it's fun and

1136
00:49:20,330 --> 00:49:18,450
so as I said we're gonna have to watch

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00:49:23,540 --> 00:49:20,340
the we're gonna have to watch the video

1138
00:49:25,460 --> 00:49:23,550
to see depending on the angle that it's

1139
00:49:27,050 --> 00:49:25,470
filmed at you know it's hard to say but

1140
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:27,060
I think other people should kind of

1141
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:28,770
watch for that it's fascinating I love

1142
00:49:33,590 --> 00:49:30,240
hearing about these little tricks and

1143
00:49:36,350 --> 00:49:33,600
tips because I know there is a well

1144
00:49:38,660 --> 00:49:36,360
there are quite a few here in Australia

1145
00:49:40,370 --> 00:49:38,670
people who build themselves a psychic

1146
00:49:41,900 --> 00:49:40,380
through I'll happen to know use hot

1147
00:49:43,700 --> 00:49:41,910
reading techniques it's a matter of

1148
00:49:46,450 --> 00:49:43,710
sketching them out of course because

1149
00:49:49,340 --> 00:49:46,460
unless you can catch them out properly

1150
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:49,350
you can't just run around accusing

1151
00:49:54,350 --> 00:49:51,450
people of this sort of thing I look

1152
00:49:56,810 --> 00:49:54,360
forward not much to more information

1153
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:56,820
soon or about all this Susan how can

1154
00:50:01,730 --> 00:49:59,760
people get in touch with you and help be

1155
00:50:02,540 --> 00:50:01,740
part of guerrilla skepticism on

1156
00:50:04,670 --> 00:50:02,550
Wikipedia

1157
00:50:07,220 --> 00:50:04,680
well the guerrilla skepticism on

1158
00:50:09,260 --> 00:50:07,230
Wikipedia project has always looking for

1159
00:50:12,290 --> 00:50:09,270
volunteers to help it does take months

1160
00:50:13,580 --> 00:50:12,300
for us to train somebody completely and

1161
00:50:15,050 --> 00:50:13,590
then once you're trained obviously we're

1162
00:50:16,460 --> 00:50:15,060
going to expect you to work at it it

1163
00:50:18,770 --> 00:50:16,470
isn't something that you're going to

1164
00:50:21,590 --> 00:50:18,780
have to devote your life to but it is

1165
00:50:23,570 --> 00:50:21,600
something that you know it is gonna take

1166
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:23,580
a little time and Richard you guys have

1167
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:25,200
been awesome on this sceptic zone I

1168
00:50:28,340 --> 00:50:26,880
really appreciate all the attention that

1169
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:28,350
you've given to our project running your

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00:50:31,559 --> 00:50:30,090
promos I just finished listening to the

1171
00:50:32,939 --> 00:50:31,569
last episode and

1172
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:32,949
I heard one of my editors Sharon

1173
00:50:36,509 --> 00:50:35,170
Romney's voice and it's always makes me

1174
00:50:39,779 --> 00:50:36,519
smile we hear from people all the time

1175
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:39,789
in fact we just got a doctor from Sri

1176
00:50:45,870 --> 00:50:42,640
Lanka who said he heard us on the

1177
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:45,880
skeptics hello and I thought oh right

1178
00:50:50,489 --> 00:50:48,130
sure Lanka that's great you know and as

1179
00:50:52,739 --> 00:50:50,499
a doctor he's you know just a few years

1180
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:52,749
into his residence his degree and

1181
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:55,599
working and has a family and if he's

1182
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:57,249
finding the time to get their training

1183
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:00,400
then I think anybody can so we are all

1184
00:51:07,709 --> 00:51:04,930
on Facebook mostly we we have a secret

1185
00:51:09,569 --> 00:51:07,719
cabal on Facebook and so anybody who

1186
00:51:11,959 --> 00:51:09,579
approaches me the best place to find me

1187
00:51:14,459 --> 00:51:11,969
is on Facebook send me a private message

1188
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:14,469
we will put you into the secret cabal

1189
00:51:20,279 --> 00:51:16,690
the training happens off of Google

1190
00:51:23,459 --> 00:51:20,289
Documents you're receiving a private

1191
00:51:25,380 --> 00:51:23,469
tutor and it is a blast

1192
00:51:27,180 --> 00:51:25,390
absolutely sounds good there's that

1193
00:51:29,939 --> 00:51:27,190
there's the message folks that's what

1194
00:51:31,559 --> 00:51:29,949
you should do to be really active in

1195
00:51:34,469 --> 00:51:31,569
skepticism and hello to all our

1196
00:51:38,099 --> 00:51:34,479
listeners in Sri Lanka we do look

1197
00:51:39,809 --> 00:51:38,109
forward every every so often the Sri

1198
00:51:42,329 --> 00:51:39,819
Lankan cricket team come to Australia

1199
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:42,339
and they give us a great a great show

1200
00:51:46,709 --> 00:51:44,170
their wonderful cricketers in Sri Lanka

1201
00:51:48,689 --> 00:51:46,719
and India and Pakistan of course but for

1202
00:51:50,130 --> 00:51:48,699
now susan gerbic all the way over there

1203
00:51:53,279 --> 00:51:50,140
and I hope the earthquake doesn't happen

1204
00:51:55,469 --> 00:51:53,289
too soon thank you very much thank you

1205
00:51:56,570 --> 00:51:55,479
Richard and hello to everybody from the

1206
00:52:20,610 --> 00:51:56,580
sceptic zone

1207
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:22,950
in Radford here if I can have a minute

1208
00:52:26,220 --> 00:52:24,250
of your time I'd like to shamelessly

1209
00:52:28,290 --> 00:52:26,230
plug my new book it's called

1210
00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:28,300
investigating ghosts the scientific

1211
00:52:32,370 --> 00:52:30,730
search for spirits examines ghost

1212
00:52:34,470 --> 00:52:32,380
hunting and ghost investigations from

1213
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:34,480
historical cultural and evidence-based

1214
00:52:39,540 --> 00:52:36,730
perspective from the Victorian era to

1215
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:39,550
modern TV ghost hunters it is in a way a

1216
00:52:43,380 --> 00:52:41,650
follow-up to my 2010 book scientific

1217
00:52:45,690 --> 00:52:43,390
paranormal investigation how to solve

1218
00:52:46,910 --> 00:52:45,700
unexplained mysteries that book was more

1219
00:52:49,380 --> 00:52:46,920
general covering everything from

1220
00:52:51,660 --> 00:52:49,390
psychics to crop circles to monsters and

1221
00:52:53,970 --> 00:52:51,670
ghosts but I realized that ghosts are a

1222
00:52:55,860 --> 00:52:53,980
special category not only are ghosts the

1223
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:55,870
most popular paranormal pursuit but

1224
00:52:59,580 --> 00:52:57,490
ghost hunting also has its own set of

1225
00:53:01,860 --> 00:52:59,590
assumptions and challenges the book will

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00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:01,870
be available soon for under 20 bucks and

1227
00:53:09,410 --> 00:53:07,160
for more information on the book and me

1228
00:53:10,300 --> 00:53:09,420
check out Benjamin Radford com please

1229
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:10,310
check it out Thanks

1230
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:30,860
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1231
00:53:33,610 --> 00:53:32,610
zone and again thank you very much to

1232
00:53:37,490 --> 00:53:33,620
Barry Williams

1233
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:37,500
it is a sad time for the skeptical

1234
00:53:41,780 --> 00:53:39,210
movement in Australia and for his many

1235
00:53:43,970 --> 00:53:41,790
friends around the world - I'm sure and

1236
00:53:46,510 --> 00:53:43,980
in fact I only just day in the last few

1237
00:53:48,950 --> 00:53:46,520
minutes had a message from James Randi

1238
00:53:51,770 --> 00:53:48,960
expressing his condolences and sadness

1239
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:51,780
at the loss of Barry Williams so I think

1240
00:53:57,260 --> 00:53:54,960
we'll just wrap the show up now so this

1241
00:54:03,860 --> 00:53:57,270
is Richard Saunders signing off from

1242
00:54:06,860 --> 00:54:03,870
Sydney Australia you've been listening

1243
00:54:11,630 --> 00:54:06,870
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00:54:14,930 --> 00:54:11,640
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